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- djnippa
I'd prefer it restricted at the moment. But I think we should all vote on it. Majority wins.
I Vote restrict it. No Cloning.
PS: I am digging Funki's choice of letters. French Connection, UK would be so proud.
PPS: I hate my own letters. They are bringing the coolness of the font down. All your work is so awesome. Nice pixelization on the N, DJSupreme; Cool wood, mesquite s, Genie-in-the-FontStruct; Disco U, starburst c, SuperFunk; Can't-help-but-retrace-it-with-my-eye W, JohnJet-and-the-Gold-Heart; Welcome-to-the-Twilight-Zone O, aphoria-of-Shangrila. Can I delete my A?
PPPS: Cloning the font after each addition is losing the comment stream, which is kinda sucky.
@ all - i think we have quite an interesting mix so far. with many glyphs still missing it's hard to tell how they work with each other. but i think we're in that part of the process where we can see how some of the letters do work together. maybe some adjustments can be made towards some type of cohesiveness - out of the disparity - so that somehow they jibe :) when working alone, we're usually our own worst and best critics. now, i think we have to use that same aesthetic that we apply to our own work - and perhaps be even more critical of how we can make our stuff work together without compromising artistic integrity. each of us brings that combination of designer/critic that should be applied here. - fk
I've often wondered about this, so I'll take this opportunity to ask what all of you think are the pros and cons of opening your fonts for cloning. I know some of you don't do it which makes me question whether I should be doing it or not.
If you want to keep a history of this work, maybe we can work on the master version and make periodic clones for versioning?
Plus, we wouldn't lose the comment stream.
Oh, thalamic, just stop it. I can easily beat you in a contest of whose stuff is crappier. :)
It seems to me, that with every new clone made public, it sparks off interest within the group, otherwise you have to trawl through all the "obvious student" fontstructs to see if anyone's done some work. It's a catch 22. I prefer to put up a new font once new glyphs have been added.
The comments we've made prior to this, are all good, but essentially not that important.
However the comments and sample jpegs added when the font is completed should be preserved. Otherwise they'd be about 60 comments made.
The font to me seems to have the cohesion of variety. A bit like a poison pen letter. The uppercase is very ornate and detailed, where as the lower case is simpler.
@Fk - ha ha, you've changed that K at least 5 times, no wonder you're so prolific, you're constantly changing the angle of approach.
@ Aphoria -
I restrict my fonts, for the following reasons:-
1. If I think it is complete, and cannot be improved.
2. It has the full Euro set.
3. It has an element of extreme difficult, and time consuming advance processes.
4. The font is to be sold to a Font House.
5. Also when you create what you think is a masterpiece, then I wouldn't want anyone tweaking it, unless it's one of the what I consider to be the Top Ten fontstructors.
6. Why should someone else take credit and praise for what is essentially my Original idea.
I allow Cloning if:
1. It's an educational font designed to be studied.
2. It's a very basic font, that is not that difficult to reproduce.
3. It's someone else's font, that I've cloned, and they let me clone their work.
Each font is different, but I'd say 80% of my Public fonts are restricted, 20% are cloneable.
@ afro - i don't know if i agree that i like the idea that this font will never be finished. i accept it as a possibility, but i remain optimistic that uc, lc and . , ? ! will be done. we shall see :)
regarding the message thread - it's nice, but i agree with dj. once the font is "done" no more clones. for now i think the message thread provides a journal about the creation of this font. once it's done, i think comments will be different in nature and should then be maintained.
regarding restricting font - interesting take on it dj. maybe that's why i'm enjoying this - the ability to view some "master secrets" that i otherwise couldn't...he, he, he :) i often wonder if any of my stuff is not already being exploited by someone - paranoid, realistic, unavoidable? perhaps. i googled a font type over the weekend and low and behold discovered some of my stuff was listed on a font webpage - with links back to fs. a little thrilling/chilling, but i chose not to get worked up over it - at least not right now and just bookmarked the page. i think regardless of whether we restrict our work or not, someone who wants to steal and knows what they're doing could possibly do it, but might get caught - i believe our user id or name is embedded in the font file and can't be changed - whether restricted or not. perhaps it will help to deter thieves. i prefer to hope that if someone does steal something of mine and it's used commercially - that i find it and maybe $$$ or maybe not :(
but i will say it is so cool to be able to look at how others work with these dang bricks - you guys have some skills :) i think we're like other artists. you can have great technique, but that doesn't make art - it's the x factor, but it's still so cool to see how each of you does your thing :)
@djnippa
Thanks for your pros and cons. I guess I have always thought that nobody would ever pay for my fonts, so why not open them for cloning. Maybe I'm just too insecure and should reconsider.
There have been several times that I wished I could clone fonts by many of these collaborators to see how they did something. Maybe a new feature to ask for? The ability to "send a clone" to someone? Then we could at least share amongst trusted friends.
@ all - so even though we're not "finished" with this one, do we wait before our next project. participation here is strictly nsa, but i'm sure some of you have ideas about what we've done and what we could do next - if it's not premature :) my suggestions to consider:
1. new project - tighter grid. our first uses what i consider a moderately sized grid. how about restricting the grid to???
2. new project - vary the filter. i pretty much work 2x2. i would be a challenge to work otherwise
3. new project - restricted grid and filter
4. new project - restricted character. explore what happens only using certain bricks
5 new project - themed - blackletter, italics, inline, fat,
i know, i have too much free time :) these are only food for thought. i suppose we should finish this one first, not to lose focus :)
re: restricting - many have voted. should we tally. i was thinking since this is a sensitive issue we could make a compromise. keep as is. when finished make a clone and delete those glyphs by restricted team members. sure it will won't be complete, but there will be the complete version. those that want to share can and those that don't won't. i think this keeps with the spirit of this thing. we really are doing this for ourselves as much as fs, right. i think creatively the team is sharing differently than what observers can experience anyway, but we both learn from the process.
which kind of leads into the next item :) do we allow our glyphs to be used by other team members to possibly create other glyphs? i think it would offer perhaps an opportunity for some bit of uniformity in this eclectic set. but some may not want their glyphs used, so i thought i'd raise the question.
also i think we should use some of the extended characters as workspace. many times i put alternates developed while creating a set at the end of the character set. this could be a way to show and develop ideas. just a thought. ...yep, way too much time :)
Let's get this font completed first. Then after would be the best time to propose any new ideas.
I also wouldn't want anyone messing with my glyphs, copying, tweaking, cloning except the members in the group. I could be wrong but that seems to be the majority decision as well. Nippa.
Absolutely gorgeous z, dj.
For me that's the best thing I've got from doing this collaboration.
Added Y.
PS, @DJ: I see how you would want to flesh out the character you designed. I would too if I came up with such cool letters. Can't wait to see the whole thing.
Feels good!
I'm a "singularity", - but what you guys are doing looks great ... 190++ points by me.
That Y still makes me chuckle. Martini with 3 olives. Excellent.
But, I might do something with mine anyway. :)
@ aphoria - that's a nice smooth q. yes, please do something with it. i think a full set would have lots of fluidity and presence.
@ team - congratulations on getting our first top pick. thanks to the fs staff for making this possible. thanks to the team members for contributing. now we have added motivation to finish :)
@ all - re: font distribution - since vowels are like the "prime" letters that appear more often, it may be unfair for anyone to have more than 1. since this wasn't addressed initially, i think everyone should keep definitely keep what they've done. however, next time this may be something to think about. also, if anyone wants one of my vowels, i will gladly transfer the desired glyph to u :) i can make any of my existing vowel glyphs alternates and put them in an unused end character.
@ all - we haven't discussed the use of extended or left-over characters. i was thinking about doing some type of "signature" - genenus1 does this regularly. also might want to do some alternates and place them there as well.
re: name - fontribution :)
Although, maybe it shouldn't be a public vote in case some one wants to vote no, but not hurt feelings?
I'm not too concerned about the number of contributors, more the ability of each.
I think magic_sam has a very nice portfolio.
Prototype only has two fonts, but they are both good and earned top picks.
@funk_king: Its funny how you mentioned my signature, because it kind of started out as an accident. When I first started, my name wasn't coming out in the readme file, so I wanted to put it in the font somehow. After that was fixed, it just became a habit.
I've put in two more glyphs - B & C. They look simple enough, but as with the other glyphs I've done, you'd have to look close to fully appreciate them and they've been specifically created to showcase certain rendering techniques that can only be achieved in the 2x2 scale.
B has outlined circles with shadows, C is drawn not with circles, but with tilted ovals. No brick stacking. Each glyph is rendered with individual italic slants. Enjoy.
-geneus1
THANKS for inviting me. My head is cluttered at the moment, and i do not feel like beeing able to concentrate on the community font PROPERLY. What funk_king wrote about one of my things, i want to cite, in order to honour YOU ALL:
... like great singers - each one unique and magnificent in their own right ...
(PS: When i'm ready for the community font, i WILL find an empty glyph ... say, Capital Yogh, for example; this glyph always cracks me up :)
Rule 1. PLEASE COMMENT ON, BUT DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLES GLYTHS!
Rule 2. PLEASE COMMENT ON, BUT DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLES GLYTHS!!
Rule 3. PLEASE COMMENT ON, BUT DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLES GLYTHS!!!
It may have been as genuine mistake. Whoever did it, please own up, and take it on the chin. We need to know that it IS someone within the group, and we don't have an infiltrator.
@FK. It was still visible at 6.30am this morning, when I got back from my gig at Digital,Brighton, UK.
@ magic - i do, i do. very nice and welcome. must put you in the credits.
Somebody took a throwing star to the old 'X'. Thalamic. Why?
hey guys. i just added an "H".
Whoever changes glyphs from ohers:
Guys, who destroy and infiltrate other people's thoughts and projects are poor. that is not only disrespecting, it's evil and wrong.
Wimp!
kix
edit: bold mode stopped :)
Let the record show that I did NOT alter any glyphs but my own.
@RobMeek: Could the FontStruction be locked from editing if it is already in editing mode? I know it means another variable to track, but maybe worthwhile.
@afrojet: The I *'d my own X. No sabotage there. The other X stood out like a sore thumb. To counter that I just started combining the two angled bricks without any concept in hopes of discovering something, and when the shape turned out to be ninja in nature, I just went with it. :) Your angled lines slab serif is anxiously awaited.
@funk_king: The cork screw is from memory. I don't know if I got the proportions right.
/me goes to find what 'luff' means.
Also, as long as we can spell 'Danzig', I consider the font complete. Really, what other words are necessary once you have Danzig?
@ thal - nothing like getting a child's reaction especially with this one since it's suppose to be fun :) i notice some of those anagrams myself - purely accidental selection of glyphs :) also, would you do alternate versions of both your A with whiskers and your X with some "speed marks"? please. i think it would be interesting to see those additions :) fk
@ team - apologies for flaming several posts back. i deleted that post because i felt pretty bad going off like that :( this has been a wonderful trip and passions run deep. thanks for the good vibes this project has produced :)
- djnippa
- djnippa
~jhejka
yeah i do :)
And I added a y :-)
-djnippa
So how does this work?
~Hejhog
@Hejhog. That 2 made me smile, great idea.
It's now just a numbers game. Can we complete? Only time will tell.
- djnippa
~Hejhog
unfortunately I'm not, so I can't compete. I assured you if you saved just a symbol, I can just try. But since not, I can't compete. And I wanna! :'( Why?
i think it's a good idea to do another collaboration, but i also think that maybe we should wait a bit before we start one. let's see what surprises the FS staff have for us and then let's try and do something as a community. just make sure you don't let me forget :)
i think your samples are cool. very minimalist and techno. i also see you have cloned some fonts. that's a good way to learn how to use Fontstruct by seeing how others have used it. so keep using it and i hope that we can work together soon :)
nice to hear you like my "t"!
Rule 2. PLEASE COMMENT ON, BUT DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLES GLYTHS!!
Rule 3. PLEASE COMMENT ON, BUT DO NOT MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLES GLYTHS!!!"
... Basically they are all the same rule with a different number of '!'s.
I Wanna Get In This FS Collab! "?" Font: Sonic 1 Title Screen, "!" Font: Pointy, ":" Font: Heldocoutlineveticrial.
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